Accounting Talk Accounting Talk    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Goto page 1, 2  Next          Accounting Talk Forum Index -> Quicken View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message JCMc Guest Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. I know I can subscribe to pay for service, or switch to one of a few free services, but none are as convenient as is the Verizon feed. Several cable ISP services have similarly announced they will drop the alt groups. I wonder how many of the regular contributors to this group are similarly impacted by this "Denial of service". Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Porter Smith Guest Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups "JCMc" <mcdonald.jc@verizon.net> wrote in news:T8E6k.6784$Mu.3919@trndny07: Quote: I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. I know I can subscribe to pay for service, or switch to one of a few free services, but none are as convenient as is the Verizon feed. Several cable ISP services have similarly announced they will drop the alt groups. I wonder how many of the regular contributors to this group are similarly impacted by this "Denial of service". I lost my free access to news servers when my DSL provider, Embarq, severed their relationship with Earthlink. It wasn't that big a loss as Earthlink's news servers were slow, unreliable and incomplete. Embarq has no news servers at all. When I asked Embarq how I would be compensated for the reduced service they said "very few customers access Usenet anyway so we decided it wasn't worth the cost". I subscribe to Giganews. ( http://www.giganews.com ) Their performance and reliability are excellant and they claim 1800+ day retention for text groups, like this one. Switching to Giganews was trivial, I just pointed my news reader at a different server and entered my userid & password. Definitely worth $7/month. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor XS11E Guest Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups "JCMc" <mcdonald.jc@verizon.net> wrote: Quote: I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. I know I can subscribe to pay for service, or switch to one of a few free services, but none are as convenient as is the Verizon feed. I don't understand why you say none of the pay or free newsservers are as convenient as the Verizon feed? You subscribe to a newsserver, you set up your newsreader (OE in your case) with the necessary information just as you did when you first set up OE for the Verizon newsserver. To read a group you click on OE to start it, click on this group and read the information, exactly like you do now. The only difference you should see is if you examine your headers or if you examine your settings in OE, there should be no difference at all in convenience. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Andrew DeFaria Guest Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups JCMc wrote: Quote: I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. I know I can subscribe to pay for service, or switch to one of a few free services, but none are as convenient as is the Verizon feed. Several cable ISP services have similarly announced they will drop the alt groups. I wonder how many of the regular contributors to this group are similarly impacted by this "Denial of service". I always believe in voting with your wallet. If Verizon will not server news groups - fuck 'em! Get an ISP that will. Of, if you're chicken, click here <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.software.financial.quicken/topics>. -- Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com> I've taken a vow of poverty -- to annoy me, send money Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor JCMc Guest Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Well, this might sound lazy, but, when I decided to use Verizon as my Internet Service Provider, among several things was their support of News Groups. And, yes I did have to establish links in my news reader to their servers, but that is now several years ago, and uses the same credentials as does email, so a single set-up a couple years ago configured me to read email from several accounts as well as the news groups I subscribe to. To switch to a new News Group provider, I have to find one that is reliable, set up an account, establish credentials, and in some cases, there are set up fees even for ones identified as "Free" (see Terra News). Then I'll have to update my news reader with the new server name, access credentials, and then go through and rebuild my subscription list. Ok, none of this is beyond the wit of man in general, and me in particular. But in my use of the term "convenient" it is not as convenient as not having to do any of these things today, this week, or anytime in the foreseeable future. Might be an issue of semantics, or evidence that I am lazy. Just my opinion, I'm not sure anyone else would agree, and hence the question in my original posting. Your opinion and response is most welcome, I 100% appreciate that you posted. Thank you, Jere "XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:Xns9AC2CFCDFF564xs11emailinatorcom@85.214.90.236... Quote: "JCMc" <mcdonald.jc@verizon.net> wrote: I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. I know I can subscribe to pay for service, or switch to one of a few free services, but none are as convenient as is the Verizon feed. I don't understand why you say none of the pay or free newsservers are as convenient as the Verizon feed? You subscribe to a newsserver, you set up your newsreader (OE in your case) with the necessary information just as you did when you first set up OE for the Verizon newsserver. To read a group you click on OE to start it, click on this group and read the information, exactly like you do now. The only difference you should see is if you examine your headers or if you examine your settings in OE, there should be no difference at all in convenience. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Andrew DeFaria Guest Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups JCMc wrote: Quote: Well, this might sound lazy, but, when I decided to use Verizon as my Internet Service Provider, among several things was their support of News Groups. Agreed. I often pick my ISP based on certain services that they provide. Truth be told the only things I want out of an ISP is 1) a fast, cheap connection, 2) static IP (I run a web site), 3) DNS service and 4) NNTP services. Everything else I do myself. I could care less if the ISP provides email or filtering or whatever, just the above. Quote: And, yes I did have to establish links in my news reader to their servers, but that is now several years ago, and uses the same credentials as does email, so a single set-up a couple years ago configured me to read email from several accounts as well as the news groups I subscribe to. To switch to a new News Group provider, I have to find one that is reliable, Granted. set up an account, Not always. establish credentials, Again, not always. and in some cases, there are set up fees even for ones identified as "Free" (see Terra News). Then they are not really free now are they... Then I'll have to update my news reader with the new server name, Oh my god, my heart bleeds for you! access credentials, Ditto! and then go through and rebuild my subscription list. Yes this is a good point. Honestly however, how many are there? Ok, none of this is beyond the wit of man in general, and me in particular. But in my use of the term "convenient" it is not as convenient as not having to do any of these things today, this week, or anytime in the foreseeable future. And like usual a man will typically spend more effort complaining about such things than just doing them! The effort you expended writing this very post would more than cover the effort that you would have expended if you just did it! Quote: Might be an issue of semantics, or evidence that I am lazy. Just my opinion, I'm not sure anyone else would agree, and hence the question in my original posting. Your opinion and response is most welcome, I 100% appreciate that you posted. Thank you, And like I said - you could just click here <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.software.financial.quicken/topics>. How much "effort" does that take? -- Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com> Just before someone gets nervous, do they experience cocoons in their stomach? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Han Guest Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:485bc3b6$0$48219$815e3792@news.qwest.net: Quote: And like I said - you could just click here http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.software.financial.quicken/top ics>. How much "effort" does that take? Some say that they filter all posts from Google. Some that I respect. But the main reason I do not want to use Google is that I really dislike the interface. Searching is another matter, I find that easier in Google than through Xnews. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Calab Guest Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Quote: I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. Because of off topic spammers such as yourself. -- Fight Usenet Spam!!! - http://improve-usenet.org:80/ Want a great newsgroup reader that will filter out the flood of newgroup spam? Try MesNews - http://www.mesnews.net/gb/ If you want your posts to be seen, DON'T USE GOOGLE GROUPS! Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Andrew DeFaria Guest Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Han wrote: Quote: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:485bc3b6$0$48219$815e3792@news.qwest.net: And like I said - you could just click here http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.software.financial.quicken/top ics>. How much "effort" does that take? Some say that they filter all posts from Google. That would be their problem. Some that I respect. I don't respect people who participate in needless censorship. But the main reason I do not want to use Google is that I really dislike the interface. So, you have a solution but you find it unpretty or not to your liking. I see... -- Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com> Oops. My brain just hit a bad sector. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Andrew DeFaria Guest Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Calab wrote: Quote: I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. Because of off topic spammers such as yourself. Huh? Where's the spam here? Really! -- Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com> The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor XS11E Guest Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Han <Han@invalid.invalid> wrote: Quote: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:485bc3b6$0$48219$815e3792@news.qwest.net: And like I said - you could just click here http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.software.financial.quicke n/top ics>. How much "effort" does that take? Some say that they filter all posts from Google. Some that I respect. But the main reason I do not want to use Google is that I really dislike the interface. Searching is another matter, I find that easier in Google than through Xnews. Please understand the UIP (Usenet Improvement Project, see URL in signature) doesn't have anything to do with using Google Groups to search for posts, that's the easiest way to do it. The purpose of the UIP is to help Usenet users from seeing the floods of spam that Google apparently encourages and to prevent users from seeing the often completely idiotic posts from those not sufficiently aware of Usenet or Netiquette to post properly. It's a good idea to help those few Google Groupers who's posts you do wish to read in setting up a newsreader and using it. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Andrew DeFaria Guest Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups XS11E wrote: Quote: Please understand the UIP (Usenet Improvement Project, see URL in signature) doesn't have anything to do with using Google Groups to search for posts, that's the easiest way to do it. Yes look at the URL in the signature but don't bother going there. It's just one person's hatred of Google Groups and his drive to get rid of it. -- Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com> Do you think that when they asked George Washington for ID that he just whipped out a quarter? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Calab Guest Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Quote: Calab wrote: I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. Because of off topic spammers such as yourself. Huh? Where's the spam here? Really! Uhm... His post has *NOTHING* to do with Quicken, making it off-topic and spam. -- Fight Usenet Spam!!! - http://improve-usenet.org:80/ Want a great newsgroup reader that will filter out the flood of newgroup spam? Try MesNews - http://www.mesnews.net/gb/ If you want your posts to be seen, DON'T USE GOOGLE GROUPS! Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Han Guest Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups Calab <myspam@csd.ca> wrote in news:UYl7k.20467$kx.12314@pd7urf3no: Quote: Calab wrote: I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. Because of off topic spammers such as yourself. Huh? Where's the spam here? Really! Uhm... His post has *NOTHING* to do with Quicken, making it off-topic and spam. I was in the same predicament as the OP. Verizon is cutting off service and eliminating this newsgroup - and that of ALL alt.* groups - from their lineup. That makes it ON TOPIC - it is concerned with access to this newsgroup. Under the guise of combating child porn, Verizon is cutting a service that was once rather highly regarded. As you can see, I have for the moment decided to switch to Astraweb for a one time $10 payment to be able to download 25 GB when and where I see fit. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Brian Guest Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:34:03 -0700, Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote: Quote: XS11E wrote: Please understand the UIP (Usenet Improvement Project, see URL in signature) doesn't have anything to do with using Google Groups to search for posts, that's the easiest way to do it. Yes look at the URL in the signature but don't bother going there. It's just one person's hatred of Google Groups and his drive to get rid of it. Andrew DeFaria just earned himself an honored and esteemed place in my twit filters. -- -brian "There are...lies, damn lies and focus groups." -Benjamin Disraeli Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Accounting Talk Forum Index -> Quicken All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Accounting Talk----------------Accounting TalkPeachtreeQuickbooksQuicken  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum 68 Attacks blocked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group